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From tomorrow daily I will eat an extra (from my 1850 calorie diet) 8 almonds 10g chia seeds 10g sunflower seeds 20g red lentils 20g pot barley 1 tsp EVOO my base calories will be 2100 hoping this would be enough to kick start me gaining weight, otherwise I will adjust To OP you can do it

added 20g ground chia seeds plus an extra 5 almonds, now calories per day are 1950, added 100g of calories, will increase increments of 50 calories a day till I start putting weight on and weigh daily

Dean I'm certain I will increase my BMI, I have an eating disorder but can rationalise my thinking. Thanks to you I increased my calories to 1850 (from 1600) but now I want to focus on getting a healthy BMI of 18.5 and I'm starting gym again 🙂 I will update when I reach my goal. much love for your encouragement and time you give to helping us! thankyou

Just for completeness I weighed myself today and have a BMI of 17.3 from tomorrow I will start this protocol to get my BMI to 19.5, I want to take my time getting there maybe 6 weeks and like I've outlines let my body be the judge of what it deems necessary to have as my lower intake of calories. Even if you are consuming optimal nutrition, a BMI of 17.8 is still damaging you SLOWLY we can both start this together

you're 25, your body will hide it's weakness much better than your later life. The danger of bone density loss can and most likely will occur. It's going to be even worse for you to judge the bodies slow deterioration due to low bmi because as a runner you must be used to a higher pain threshold and push through any niggles....until the damage is irreversible. instead of picking a random CR percentage / calories, first get your BMI to healthy normal range ... 18.5 then whatever calories your body needs to be at that BMI, stick to them, this way you are getting the best of both worlds, your doing everything science says that will help with longevity and optimal bodily functions. I would say go for 19.5 BMI then stay on that for a year and once your bodies adapted, slowly over years reduce your calories and see if you can maintain a BMI of 19.5, if not then that is your target. every bodies are different. Matt (another CR member) was consuming 1600 calories and able to maintain a BMI of 19.5, he also went really low on his BMI and did as I outlined, increased his BMI to 18.5 and reduced his calories later while his body still kept the extra weight. If your goal is longevity with a body that is able to withstand your lifestyle then honestly you are in dangerous levels, you are risking a future where you start having bone density loss and would lose your ability to exercise, to do normal activities! Is betting (since it's still not guaranteed CR actual works in humans) on fragility and disability (very likely outcomes if you keep your BMI at 17.8) on an "potential" 5 years (if your lucky) of extra life? as Dean mentioned this must be such a shock and takes some time to accept but do it slowly, take a month or two to get to the healthy BMI. Honestly think rationally and think smart. Sometimes we try to bite to much and end up sick from it when we could have gone nice and steady. Keep us update and good luck on this "recovery".

interesting analysis from a biologist

I agree but isn't it true all CRONNIEs suffer the same issue LOL. The things i've read about taking multiple supplements and long chemical names and constant blood tests. I literally eat whole foods, no supplements except potassium and sodium and spend 1.25 hours eating a day. but I love this community for sharing all the knowledge and experience 🙂

thanks for detailed response, yes nutrition is so complex 🙂

-Dean thanks for the article. still it doesn't explain your situation Dean, in 2015 you was consuming 4.3x the RDA for iron with 7.6x Vitamin C and only 1.2x calcium, all factors indicating you should have plenty store of iron yet you don't and consume an extra 1.1x of iron RDA a day (65g iron over 7 days) which implies your absorbing barely any iron from your diet ? Source:

okay but we are not discussing if you met RDA with wholefoods. We are discussing if you show to have met RDA (cronometer) through whole foods then should one still need to supplement, the RDA is written in a time when we were consuming more whole foods

when rda was set (and kept constant over decades?) there was nothing like iron tablets you get nowadays. what i'm implying is surely they expected you to get from natural (wholefood) souces and took into account that fact to reach RDA ?

I eat exact same meal everyday. I eat ~480 grams of raw broccoli and roughly ~480 raw collard greens (spring greens) Sometimes I go slightly over (500g raw collard greens) and those calories even though are minor still test my OCD. so I adjust my EVOO consumption, it just fluctuates within a gram of EVOO lol. but I still force myself to weigh everything, I'm relatively still starting out on CR (around a year so far) so maybe in time I'll relinquish this added responsibility but I like to remind my conscious and sub conscious that we must not break this routine no matter what. Like a daily affirmation to my will power and desire to see this experiment (CRON) through till I die LOL

lmao I didn't read ahead and just realised we had the EXACT SAME thought. Sorry Dean for repeating a question

Dean I'm surprised you supplement iron, your diet as I recall was rich in nutrition, cronometer says my iron is significantly above RDA and I believe I eat a fraction of the food and nutrition you consume. And iron accumulates in our bodies, it causes oxidation, too much is really bad. How much iron do you supplement?

Thanks Dean for the overview. Good point about the progress halt of new science into CR. seems as though that those carrying on are people that enjoy the lifestyle about CR. maybe I'll come to the same conclusion as the majority here that it's futile to go so low, for 2023 I'll carry on observing others and myself. I hope everyone had a good Christmas and new year

so impressive you still working @ 83! and having output at what you do! kudos. I've listened to their advice and won't be doing any extended fasts. I hope to be on this journey with you for decades!

Happy New Year everyone. I hope everyone finds enjoyment and productivity in this 2023! So I'm confused, is CR dead in the water? How many still believe in CR and practice it. I know of Dean who has a calorie restriction but his output is so high that he still eats total calories exceeding what was originally the way people assumed to follow CR namely to output low calories, at least below 2000 calories. How many are still holding onto that belief? seems as though most have just gone to moderate CR and have abandum the notion "it's all about the calories" Please share your thoughts

i'll monitor myself, but appreciate your input, I'm sure I'll first need to increase my bmi in the near future, then work on calorie intake but right now I plan to not fast but keep consuming 1850 calories, my nutrition isn't lacking. 1850 is a good amount of calories?

am I really that bad though. yes i admitt i'm obsessed with this diet and lifestyle, I'm shutting of my friends and family so I can carry on with this BUT have a look at my actual diet. low carb, 11-12 servings of vegetables, grains, legumes, sardines, almonds, flax seed, olive oil. hitting my micro nutrients. and 1850 calories is pretty good, not even the lowest that CR Practioners do?

are you referring to calorie intake? my extreme weight loss was because I was on 1600 calories for months before Dean helped me realise it's too low.

thanks Dean & mccoy. After consideration and evaluation of how I'm currently feeling, I'm slightly scared that you are both correct and I'll further devolve into my eating disorder. For the foreseeable future I'm holding of any fast days. I haven't had blood work done in a year I believe so booking that to see if my current diet is showing any signs of red flags. mccoy was that when you increased your bmi?

I plan to get basic bloodwork once a year free from my doctor. thanks for the concern. I wish I knew I started of with higher BMI say 18 with this 1850 calorie intake. for now I'll continue but monitor my weight. I think increasing my calories to 2003 on my none fast day would work, so I should have more energy in general and then have only 1 day of struggle. my macros are close for staying in ketosis and strangely enough i'm really excited to incorporate 47 hour weekly water fast into my lifestyle! I like this "pain" i'm putting myself through, gives me strength and mental fortitude and reminds me that we are inconsequential and have a finite use of our physical bodies.

yesterday I had 499g raw broccoli. I used to get bloated but 3 months in I get zero bloat. When you fast for 23 hours and then eat anything, it's taste is heightened. also when you eat the same food then you look forward to it again. and lastly lol look at my diet, my foods appear bland to you, I don't add salt or anything to my food except the barley, but I deliberately limit my enjoyment of food but ironically every time I eat my meal it's like so fulfilling and satisfying. The veg alone takes 45 minutes of focus eating and constant chewing. like I've mentioned I like to limit my enjoyment of my 'fuel', adding nuts to replace the evoo wouldn't work with that philosophy. Yes I'm 46kg, height 167 cm BMI 16.6 I think I might damage myself if I carry on with this low BMI but I'd like to continue on and see what happens. my calorie intake is good at 1850 but my reluctance to be in surplus calories means I shouldn't increase my fat percentage thus have a low BMI. I'm currently eating 40 grams of barley + lentils, in 2 weeks that will reduce to my final goal of 35g of barley + lentils then I plan to fast on saturdays and the other days i'll consume 2003 calories instead of 1850 calories so it still evens out at 1850 calories per day. Either I'll reduce my life expectancy with this lifestyle or relatively increase it, time will tell

I don't find I exhibit this behaviour anymore, I think I've increased my calories since then. It's true, being a Cronite doesn't win you personality of the year award lol. You have to enjoy the lifestyle of what it offers. I wonder how many calories you consume in being a counterpart to this characteristic? I consume 1850 calories a day

good advice, change small part of your diet at a time. as cr practitioners our calorie intake estimation is important. I find weight measuring a very good tool. At the end of the day we try to be stay consistent and manage best we can.